Comments on: Where Players Take and Make Shots http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/ Advanced Stats for Basketball Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:22:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Eli http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-164 Eli Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:35:32 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-164 Unfortunately I do not have data on the location of players when they grab rebounds, so I can't construct a chart for that. You should check out this article though, which used video tracking to look at where rebounds end up on the court: http://82games.com/rebounds.htm Unfortunately I do not have data on the location of players when they grab rebounds, so I can’t construct a chart for that. You should check out this article though, which used video tracking to look at where rebounds end up on the court:

http://82games.com/rebounds.htm

]]> By: Bert Samson http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-162 Bert Samson Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:30:37 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-162 Dear Sir, I am the coach of the Dutch National under16 team men. I am interested if you also has a chart where the misses would have dropped on the floor in relation to the spot where the shot is taken? Im other words where are the most likely spots for the rebound? Is that the 70% offside or is it something else. With kind regards, Bert Samson Dear Sir,

I am the coach of the Dutch National under16 team men. I am interested if you also has a chart where the misses would have dropped on the floor in relation to the spot where the shot is taken?
Im other words where are the most likely spots for the rebound? Is that the 70% offside or is it something else.

With kind regards,

Bert Samson

]]> By: Marty http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-130 Marty Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:52:31 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-130 That why people should stop talking about Lebron being a great passer. I hate to sound like I'm bashing the guy, but his passing does not impress me at all since most of his assists are to 3 pt shooters. If you want to impress me with Lebron, note the fact that he can get to the basket and finish any time he wants, that gives me nightmares. It'd be interesting to see how many possible assists turn into fouls. I'm a Laker fan and I get frustrated sometimes when Kobe makes a sweet pass to Ronny and then he gets fouled and doesn't finish (understandably). That why people should stop talking about Lebron being a great passer. I hate to sound like I’m bashing the guy, but his passing does not impress me at all since most of his assists are to 3 pt shooters. If you want to impress me with Lebron, note the fact that he can get to the basket and finish any time he wants, that gives me nightmares.
It’d be interesting to see how many possible assists turn into fouls. I’m a Laker fan and I get frustrated sometimes when Kobe makes a sweet pass to Ronny and then he gets fouled and doesn’t finish (understandably).

]]> By: Calvin Y. http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-124 Calvin Y. Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:13:44 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-124 Hey guys, not too sure the 3rd graph is all that useful. It's fairly common knowledge that 3-point buckets are usually assisted (extremely difficult to "create" a 3 point shot off the dribble). Hence, it makes sense that would appear in red. However, (and there is a modest different between professional and college play) the majority of assisted shots come in the form of layups or short-range shots. Obviously, this is also where the majority of all shot attempts take place. The 3rd graph unfortunately can lead to incorrect conclusions, such as the one drawn by Henry Abbot of TrueHoop - "One thing that really stands out to me looking at these: if you want to get big assist numbers, play with good three-point shooters. That's where the assists are." I would venture to counter, "if you want to get big assist numbers, play with good finishers (e.g. the "big" in a pick-and-roll offense). That's where the assists are." Again, the 3-point shot is difficult to make unassisted, but also the majority of assits are difficult without layups/dunks. Hey guys, not too sure the 3rd graph is all that useful.

It’s fairly common knowledge that 3-point buckets are usually assisted (extremely difficult to “create” a 3 point shot off the dribble). Hence, it makes sense that would appear in red.

However, (and there is a modest different between professional and college play) the majority of assisted shots come in the form of layups or short-range shots. Obviously, this is also where the majority of all shot attempts take place.

The 3rd graph unfortunately can lead to incorrect conclusions, such as the one drawn by Henry Abbot of TrueHoop - “One thing that really stands out to me looking at these: if you want to get big assist numbers, play with good three-point shooters. That’s where the assists are.”

I would venture to counter, “if you want to get big assist numbers, play with good finishers (e.g. the “big” in a pick-and-roll offense). That’s where the assists are.”

Again, the 3-point shot is difficult to make unassisted, but also the majority of assits are difficult without layups/dunks.

]]> By: Eli http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-123 Eli Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:45:03 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-123 Pete, I'm not sure what's going on with those baseline shots. I'll have to look at the data more closely. Kevin, I just posted an eFG% chart (and a blocks/FGA chart) in a <a href="http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/more-shot-charts/" rel="nofollow">new post</a>. Pete, I’m not sure what’s going on with those baseline shots. I’ll have to look at the data more closely.

Kevin, I just posted an eFG% chart (and a blocks/FGA chart) in a new post.

]]> By: silvtown http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-122 silvtown Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:27:50 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-122 I like all those assisted buzzer-beaters. I like all those assisted buzzer-beaters.

]]> By: kh http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-121 kh Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:50:08 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-121 I agree with kjb, I'd like to see the chart with expected points as well I agree with kjb, I’d like to see the chart with expected points as well

]]> By: kjb http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-120 kjb Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:53:40 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-120 One thing I'd be interested to see is the efg from each spot. From the chart, it looks like shooting percentage goes down at the 3pt line, which is not very surprising. However, the 3 is worth that extra point. Great stuff, though. One thing I’d be interested to see is the efg from each spot. From the chart, it looks like shooting percentage goes down at the 3pt line, which is not very surprising. However, the 3 is worth that extra point. Great stuff, though.

]]> By: Pete http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-119 Pete Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:51:07 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-119 I guess it's not in your data, but I'd love to see the difference zone defense makes here, compared to man-to-man. Maybe a comparison to Euroleague data could be useful here. I guess it’s not in your data, but I’d love to see the difference zone defense makes here, compared to man-to-man. Maybe a comparison to Euroleague data could be useful here.

]]> By: Pete http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-118 Pete Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:46:50 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/27/where-players-take-and-make-shots/#comment-118 How come there's such a high FG% for shots taken along the baseline (picture 2), in areas where shots are only taken rarely (picture 1)? According to that I'd have my team take more shots from behind the basket. What am I missing? Nice work, btw. How come there’s such a high FG% for shots taken along the baseline (picture 2), in areas where shots are only taken rarely (picture 1)? According to that I’d have my team take more shots from behind the basket. What am I missing? Nice work, btw.

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