Advanced Stats for Basketball

Below are all the posts from February 2008. Click here to view all posts.

February 23, 2008

More Diminishing Returns

Posted by Eli in Stat Theory, Studies

Following up on my last post, I’m going to look at the issue of diminishing returns for rebounding from a different angle. The new method I’m going to use has several advantages over the previous one (and some disadvantages). What I like best about it is that it does a great job of presenting the effect of diminishing returns visually, rather than just through a table of numbers.

The approach I will use was first suggested to me by Ben F. from the APBRmetrics forum. But before I got a chance to try it out, another poster, Cherokee_ACB, presented results of his own using a similar method. So this post can be seen as building on the ideas of both of these posters.

Instead of comparing individual players’ rebounding percentages to the rebounding percentages of the lineups they played in, this method takes into account the rebounding of all five players on the court for a team. Instead of just speculating about how well a team would rebound if it put five strong rebounders on the court together (or five poor rebounders), it looks at what has actually happened in such situations in the past.

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February 5, 2008

Diminishing Returns and the Value of Offensive and Defensive Rebounds

Posted by Eli in Advanced Stats, Stat Theory, Studies

There has been a lot of discussion in recent months about the importance of rebounding on the player level. Much of this debate has been in reaction to the high value that Dave Berri’s Wins Produced player rating puts on rebounds. On Berri’s blog there have several posts with long, insightful debates in the comments about the issue (that is, if you ignore the unfortunate mudslinging often directed at those with differing points of view). In particular, I would recommend the comments sections of “The Best One-Two Punch in the Association”, “Chris Paul vs. Deron Williams, Again”, and “How Has Texas Survived the Loss of Kevin Durant?”. There have also been some good debates on the topic in the APBRmetrics threads, “Current season Win Scores/Wins Produced” and “Can some one explain the ‘possession cost’ scheme?”.

These are wide-ranging debates, involving such issues as the relative value of rebounding versus scoring and the apportioning of credit for a defensive stop between the defensive rebounder and his teammates. The issue that I want to pick up on is the extent to which the law of diminishing returns applies to rebounding.

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