Comments on: Positions and Height http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/ Advanced Stats for Basketball Wed, 22 May 2013 23:21:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: kay http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-337 kay Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:34:57 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-337 i was wondering how you get into your position on the court. i know all the positions i just need to know were they stand. i was wondering how you get into your position on the court. i know all the positions i just need to know were they stand.

]]> By: Eli http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-17 Eli Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:56:08 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-17 Oops, didn't realize that was you Mike. I'm sure you were interested in those posts considering you were part of the discussions. Still, others who haven't seen them might want to take a look. Your point on PGs is well taken. I think it shows the need for some combination of traditional designations (if only for defensive purposes) and role-based positional assignments. Oops, didn’t realize that was you Mike. I’m sure you were interested in those posts considering you were part of the discussions. Still, others who haven’t seen them might want to take a look.

Your point on PGs is well taken. I think it shows the need for some combination of traditional designations (if only for defensive purposes) and role-based positional assignments.

]]> By: Eli http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-15 Eli Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:39:18 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-15 Unfortunately, BasketballValue's data doesn't break down which players got assists when specific lineups were on the court, but if you're interested in determining position by statistical profile rather than traditional designations or height, you might want to check out these APBRmetrics posts by Ed Küpfer - <a href="http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=444" rel="nofollow">Positions, Dimensions, and Factor Analysis</a> and <a href="http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=668" rel="nofollow">Clustering Players</a>. Unfortunately, BasketballValue’s data doesn’t break down which players got assists when specific lineups were on the court, but if you’re interested in determining position by statistical profile rather than traditional designations or height, you might want to check out these APBRmetrics posts by Ed Küpfer - Positions, Dimensions, and Factor Analysis and Clustering Players.

]]> By: mkt http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-14 mkt Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:26:33 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-14 Nice, but why use height only? The Magic Johnsons, Jason Kidds, etc. won't be identified by a height-only measure. You could take assists into account in much the way that you treat height: during a player's stint on the court, where did he rank among his teammates in assist? The overall positional placement could be some sort of average of the two measures. Point forwards such as Scottie Pippen, Paul Presley, John Johnson, etc. will present problems (although taking height into account will reduce these problems). Partly it's an inherent dilemma with identifying point guards: are we trying to identify the short guys who'll match up against the other team's short guy (John Paxson) or are we trying to identify the guy who's doing the most to run the offense (Pippen, although Jordan of course touched the ball a ton). Nice, but why use height only? The Magic Johnsons, Jason Kidds, etc. won’t be identified by a height-only measure.

You could take assists into account in much the way that you treat height: during a player’s stint on the court, where did he rank among his teammates in assist?

The overall positional placement could be some sort of average of the two measures.

Point forwards such as Scottie Pippen, Paul Presley, John Johnson, etc. will present problems (although taking height into account will reduce these problems). Partly it’s an inherent dilemma with identifying point guards: are we trying to identify the short guys who’ll match up against the other team’s short guy (John Paxson) or are we trying to identify the guy who’s doing the most to run the offense (Pippen, although Jordan of course touched the ball a ton).

]]> By: Mountain http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-13 Mountain Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:02:41 +0000 http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2007/11/16/positions-and-height/#comment-13 Well done. Thanks for sharing it. Well done. Thanks for sharing it.

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